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MW: Speaking of that counterpoint based, multi-voiced,
playing, there was another great teacher out in LA who played this way, Ted
Greene. Did you ever spend time working with Ted or did you ever get a chance
to hear him play?
JS: I didn’t study with him, but I met him twice. A lot of
LA pros used to take lessons with him and there was a line-up of guys wanting
to study with him. I was hanging out with John Pisano one time and he was
getting ready to go in for a lesson with Ted, so I asked him to call Ted and
see if he didn’t mind me coming in to be a fly on the wall. Ted said OK and so
I sat there and watched it.
It was mostly just Ted working on a standard from many
different angles, though very inside, not a lot of tension and release. He had
so many wonderful variations on just triads and voice movement involving
sympathetic harmonics, and playing way up the neck, it was a very entertaining
hour.
The other time he did a clinic at USC and I went to that and
talked to him a bit. He was very nice, very unassuming, and I thought it would
be fun to take a lesson with him. Since Ted had a full schedule, he wouldn't
take new students. The only way you could get in was if an existing student
couldn’t make it and you knew this and could take their place.
Since I didn’t live in LA, I could never quite work out the
timing to take advantage of one of these lessons. Ted was a very unassuming
guy, and that one solo record that he did in his twenties, which was just
released on CD, still holds up very well I think.
Most of the guys I know, Jimmy and Ted included, that I
really respect are pretty humble, still working with students, still very
involved in pushing their limitations, trying to get better. Very aware of what
they’d like to do better on the guitar. I know very few guys who I respect that
think they play really great. They’re all just trying to push up against their
limitations and trying to get better.
MW: You teach a lot of masterclasses at high schools,
colleges and other venues along the west coast.
I noticed on your website you are doing more than five of these clinics
in the next two weeks, including one at the Jazz School
in Berklee. Do you prepare differently for a masterclass or clinic compared to
how you would prepare for a private lesson with a student? Do you let the
students in the room, and their level of experience, dictate what you talk
about? Or do you have planned lesson material that you like to bring to these
types of clinics?
JS: In the big cities like New York or LA, the level of playing can be
higher; in general students range in ability from advanced beginner to
intermediate. I'm always happy when a student comes up who can really play, and
I've heard some wonderful high school and college guitarists over the years.
I’ve got about thirty pages of handouts from different
articles I’ve written over the years for different magazines that I bring with
me to give to the students. I’ve been writing for almost fifteen years for
various magazines so I keep copies of those articles available to hand out to
everybody at these clinics.
I have a lot of potential topics for discussion. I
demonstrate applications of the melodic and harmonic minor over different chord
qualities, triad substitutions, open string and close interval voicings, chord
melody concepts, and ways to visualize and internalize harmony on the neck. If
I'm speaking to a group of younger players, I begin with the four note
arpeggios over chord changes as a template for outlining basic harmony over a
set of changes.
I like to let the room dictate where I go with any topic I’m
teaching. If I notice that everyone is interested, and I feel I can push them
to more advanced topics, I’ll do that. If I feel I’m losing them, you can tell
right away when this happens, I try to keep them engaged. I get people up to
play if they’re interested, and then comment on that. I also talk about more
general topics such as how to interact on the bandstand. Sometimes people will
ask questions about the business of music so I’ll spend some time talking about
promotion and how to make it as a freelance musician.
MW: Do you have a preference between the group classes and
private lessons, or do you find that you enjoy them both?
JS: I enjoy the variety of teaching in different settings.
Sometimes I’ll teach complete beginners, people with little experience but who
have a desire to learn. My job there is to communicate clearly, and keep things
simple. Like taking a simple arpeggio up and down the neck and making it sound
melodic over a set of changes. That can be just as rewarding if I see them get
it, to see them be enthusiastic about it and wanting to practice. We can then
move on to more advanced theory, like playing the harmonic minor a major third
above a major chord to create a Lydian #9 sound (the 6th mode of the harmonic
minor). It’s all relative, and it’s all about making music.
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